level of education. >> you could tell they were swing states. i covered john kerry. we went to colorado and virginia early on. somewhere in september, you backed out. there's a sign there, moving in this direction and now, you can see obama, virginia, very close here. these states are changing and that's driving some of the changes in the politics as well. >> you know, two issue themes that i feel like i see out of here and one is near and dear to your heart, governor lamm, which has to do with fiscal issues and retirement reform. about you know, at some point, we're going to have, the people have a due di to die, when you were talking about how expensive it is. fiscal issues here. if obama doesn't win this state, do you think it's the fiscal issues are the reason? >> if he doesn't win the state, you know, i don't think either of them have shown particularly courage on fiscal issues.